Kurdistan Communities Union (KCK) Executive Council Co-Chair Besê Hozat made important statements on recent developments in the “Politika Alan” [Political Sphere] television programme in Med Nuçe TV.

KCK Executive Council Co-Chair Besê Hozat said, in reference to Turkish Prime Minister Davutoğlu’s statement that the talks could start again if PKK retreated to its borders in 2013, “There is no difference between Davutoğlu and Erdoğan, both are forcing surrender, it is impossible to take this as a serious discourse.”

Hozat said, “Were there any concrete steps taken during the period when the forces retreated to outside the borders? A policy of elimination is being implemented. The AKP has intensified the war after the retreat process.”

Hozat also mentioned the Turkish President Erdoğan’s threat of “denaturalization” and said, “The Kurds have never been citizens of the Republic of Turkey. They were not seen as citizens.”

Hozat stated that Erdoğan’s policies have torn the Kurds away from the state emotionally, mentally and spiritually and said “He did’t only divide the Kurds, he has also seperated and divided the Turks.”

KCK Executive Council Co-Chair Besê Hozat’s analyses on recent developments, translated by ANF English service, are as follows:

We are experiencing a process in which the Kurdish People’s Leader Abdullah Öcalan could not be contacted for over a year now. In this process, Davutoğlu has made some statements. He said the talks could start again if the PKK retreated to its borders in 2103. Then Erdoğan stated that the attacks would continue until there was not one guerilla left and that negotiations were out of the question. How do you analyse all these statements as the Kurdish Freedom Movement?

There have been such discussions in the latest process. There are those who think there is a difference of opinion between Davutoğlu and Erdoğan, Erdoğan is more violent and Davutoğlu is more positive and liberal regarding the Kurdish matter. Some people are trying to impose such an opinion. Of course this is not the case. There is no difference of opinion between Davutoğlu and Erdoğan. Both their approaches, and the approach of the AKP in general, to the Kurdish matter are extremely denialist and destructive. They are both saying the same thing. There is no difference between what Davutoğlu says and what Erdoğan says. What was the process in 2013? The elimination policy of the AKP. They said “move your forces to outside the borders and we will take steps as well”. Our forces retreated. Were there any concrete steps taken? Was the legal framework for that prepared? Preparations for war continued after the guerilla retreated outside the border. AKP built outposts, dams, Hydroelectric Power Plants, security roads everywhere. Developed the village guard system further. Waged war in Rojava. AKP’s war continued. The isolation continued in a different form during the dialogue process as well. The conditions for our Leader, his health conditions were not improved. His security conditions were not improved. Were there any delegations who met with our Leader other than HDP? Has the Movement met with the Leader? If this was a solution process, the movement, the PKK should have met with Leader Apo directly. Were there any meetings? No. The media and the NGO’s should have met with our Leader directly. If there was a process to talk about, there needed to be a third eye in there. None of these things happened. Were the İmralı meetings recorded? Is there an official status of these, is there a record? Is there a signature? Has our Leader and the state delegation signed anything? No.

Did Mr. Öcalan have such demands back then?

Of course. Kurdish People’s Leader Abdullah Öcalan and the PKK had demanded the official recording of the negotiations and the mutual ceasefire. Did these happen? No. Why? Because there was no solution process, only stalling. It was a process of demobilization. On the contrary, the state was preparing for the all-out war it is waging now. The preparation for the war today did not begin in July, the state has been preparing for the war for years now. The AKP never had a perspective and program for solving the Kurdish issue democratically through negotiation, and was deepening the war and carrying out genocidal policies. Erdoğan says that ‘I will implement genocidal policies more effectively,’ Davutoğlu says the same thing.

They say that the PKK should surrender and lay arms, they are implementing policies of demobilization. Erdoğan said that Kurds will ‘either kneel down or be destroyed if they resist.’ Davutoğlu has been saying the same thing. They say that dialogue can take place only after we surrender, what will we discuss after we surrender? We do not see any seriousness in these statements. There were two years of negotiation. Did they take any steps? There were negotiations until 2014, and a process of war and destruction began after the National Security Council meeting in October 2014 and the ISIS attacks in Suruç and Ankara. The state has been burning and destroying Kurdish cities and carrying out genocidal policies reminiscent of the times of East Resettlement plans and Dersim Genocide in Kurdistan in the early Republic era. The AKP has been implementing a comprehensive policy of genocide everywhere. This is a special and psychological war.

Erdoğan is first of his kind in Turkish history. Former Turkish presidents such as Çiller, Demirel and Kenan Evren were all fascist dictators who were anti-Kurdish. But none of them were like Erdoğan; they had limits. Erdoğan has no limits and his mentality is black fascism.

The current regime in Turkey is the coalition of black and green fascism, and this brought chaos to the country where law and conscience do not exist. There is no due process, just fascism. In this sense, there is no difference between Tayyip Erdoğan and Devlet Bahçeli. They govern the country together in order to carry out genocide. The AKP, Ergenekon and MHP have been in alliance for a while now. MHP has been more active since the June 7 election. Tuğrul Türkeş’s transfer to the AKP was a part of this process. With Türkeş, the MHP joined the government.

What will you say about Erdoğan’s threats of “denaturalization”?

It is an ironic statement. The Kurds have never really been citizens of the Republic of Turkey. They were never seen as citizens. Kurds weren’t treated as citizens in Turkey either. Is the approach towards Turks the same with that of Kurds? Do Kurds have equal rights as citizens? There have always been massacres in Kurdistan. Dungeons, prisons were filled with Kurds. A horrific cultural, political, economical genocide was implemented in Kurdistan. There is abject poverty rampant in Kurdistan. The Kurds can’t find jobs, they can’t work. They are slaves, servants. Where is the citizenship in this? The identity of Kurds as a people have not been recognized, it has been denied. There are over 20 million Kurds living in Bakur and the identity, existence, language, culture of this people as a people is not recognized. Can such a people be citizens of a country? Erdoğan is trying to use such statements as blackmail on the Kurds. He means to say, “You are all terrorists, you are my enemy. I can implement all kinds of massacre policies on you, this is legitimate.” He’s saying he can bomb cities, he can kill, he can burn. This is what he has been doing.

He is implementing the policies and developing the discourse for this. This statement tells us that Erdoğan will continue the policies of genocide in Kurdistan. He is saying, very clearly, that all Kurds are his enemies. About the “supporting terrorism” part, Erdoğan himself is the greatest terrorist of all. Erdoğan and the AKP mentality are the ones imposing the greatest violence upon this people, with no regard to rule or law. The policies of the AKP and Erdoğan have seperated the Kurds from the state and Turkey, not just in the ideological sense but also in the spiritual and emotional. They have divided and seperated not just Turks and Kurds, but the society in Turkey in general. The public in Turkey is divided, in pieces right now. He has divided Turkey along the line of those supporting Erdoğan and those against Erdoğan. The AKP is employing a policy of “divide and conquer”.

What will you say about the changing of the demographics in Kurdistan and the plan to create "Kurdistan without Kurds"? Especially about the developments in Maraş, what plans are they a part of?

This matter is also related to the AKP's refugee policies. Why did the AKP deepen the war so much in Syria? They opened the borders to refugees. They are using these refugees against Europe outside the country and against the Kurds in Kurdistan inside. The AKP has moved according to a certain plan. The policy of creating a "Kurdistan without Kurds" is not new either. The Kurds have fought against this for years. The state has implemented policies of "de-Kurdification" for a hundred years, but they have yet to achieve results. Because there was a struggle and there was resistance. They couldn't end the Kurds with physical genocide, they couldn't end the Kurds with cultural, political, economical genocide, they couldn't make Kurds surrender. Now they say they can only achieve a result if they empty out Kurdistan completely. This is a serious plan. The bombing of the Kurdish cities is carried out according to this plan. They are using the refugees in this plan. They want to relocate the refugees to Kurdistan. A significant part of those who look like "refugees" are ISIS members. They will build encampments in Kurdistan and they will churn out fighters and spies. The Kurdish people have no issue with the Arab people, the Afghan people or other peoples. The Kurds have lived as brothers with all peoples. They like and value every people. The Kurds are not a nationalistic people. The problem is that there is a great deportation and genocide plan hanging over Kurdistan. They want to make ISIS members fight Kurdish Alevis. This is the plan in Maraş. They want to create a tension between Sunnis and Alevis. This is not isolated in Pazarcık. This is not an issue of Maraş but the issue of all Alevis. There is a great plan of genocide over the Alevis who should therefore rise up and negate this threat. All Kurds should rise up. There is a very dangerous plan in place over the refugees, there needs to be a very serious fight against this. Total resistance should be developed in the face of total war.